[23:45:00] PHILLIPS: But his silence would not protect him. HART MCKINNY: Those comments that he used made me feel repulsed but also it lit a fire under me. PHILLIPS: So she is telling her story, her truth and for the first time excerpts from the Fuhrman tapes you've never heard, vulgar, sexist. As a subscriber, you have 10 gift articles to give each month. PHILLIPS: But before the recordings there was a relationship. HART MCKINNY: Yes. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are tragically into the third day of this major riot-- PHILLIPS: Los Angeles. - Discussing a rape victim, 'Now, it's funny because guys in Internal Affairs go, "Mark, you can do just about anything. McKinny, who was a professor at the North Carolina School of the Arts in its filmmaking department, was resistant to sharing the tapes and transcripts from her interviews with Fuhrman according to . PHILLIPS: That is what he said? - Describing suspect, 'He was a n*****. HART MCKINNY: It's been an emotional journey. Simpson double-murder trial, recently retired Los Angeles Police Detective Mark Fuhrman said he and other officers "Further, there was evidence that the Men Against Women officers would ostracize male officers who did not support their boycott against female officers. "[13], The Los Angeles Police Department conducted an investigation to determine the validity of Fuhrman's claims on the tapes. PHILLIPS: Decades later, are you glad you didn't destroy those tapes? The tapes include many racist slurs and remarks made by Fuhrman, including uses of the word "nigger," descriptions of police brutality perpetrated on black suspects, misogynist slurs and descriptions of the harassment and intimidation of female Los Angeles police officers by male officers. You've got 200 n****** that are trying to take you prisoner.' . FUHRMAN: I guarantee you every Hitler's birthday there's a celebration behind closed doors. THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you come forward, please. Simpson trial. Of the 29 incidents described in McKinny's tapes and transcripts, 17 could not be connected to known events. Nothing is confidential and they would subpoena you and your tapes and your life would change forever. 'We stopped the choke because a bunch of n****** have a bunch of these organizations in the south end, and because all n****** are choked out and killed - twelve in ten years. . They called themselves MAW -- men against women. Simpson. torture. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you stop and think about what you should next do? PHILLIPS: The taping began when their romantic relationship ended. Their natural response is split. What has that been like for you? PHILLIPS: How did he treat you that night? After that you usually get the truth. HART MCKINNY: It just pissed me off. "[15] PHILLIPS: And your thought was? The profanity-laden recordings took place over a period of almost 10 years, from 1985 to 1994. "[6][7], The tapes, as well as Fuhrman himself, became central to the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. PHILLIPS: Violent. . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Over the 10 -- PHILLIPS: Johnny Cochran had everything he wanted. There will be a bingo moment or I get chills and when I get chills I can help somebody else get chills. HART MCKINNY: Yet he lied on the stand. When McKinny refused to hand over the tapes, Simpson's lawyers came to North Carolina and took her to court. He knew exactly how important he was. Fuhrman also uses the slur while explaining his reasons for possibly pulling over a motorist, saying; 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him. HART MCKINNY: He said those things, so he believed them. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They show the tapes will show he was a racist capable of planting a bloody glove. They're easy. PHILLIPS: And it was a trial that from the start was clearly about race, in a city with a deep history of racial turmoil. Celebrations she found unimaginable. He wasn't going to help you. PHILLIPS: McKenna was a private investigator working for O.J. The day after the tapes were played for the jury, Fuhrman once again took the witness stand and said to every question asked by the defense; 'I wish to assert my 5th Amendment privilege.'. That -- that part hasn't been good. PHILLIPS: Did she see the writing on the wall? PHILLIPS: Mark Fuhrman was still getting together with you and recording these tapes after the murders had happened. The whole world would watch him implode. Mark Fuhrman told you he personally he felt trapped. Most things, hard lessons, are things that are thrust upon you when you don't ask for them and you have to react to them. She looks just like one of those monkeys they send out of the castle. HART MCKINNY: He wanted to be infamous, he said. Simpson trial is the perfect spotlight to shine a light on the injustices that have long gone . . He even compared Fuhrman's actions to those of Hitler at one point in his speech. You know, I'm apologizing from the bottom of my heart for creating pain where pain wasn't necessary. Want to know what they said during those sidebars in the criminal trial? Veteran LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the most important witness for the prosecution in the OJ Simpson trial as he discovered a bloody glove on the football player's property that matched the one found at the scene where his ex-wife Nicole was murdered alongside Ronald Goldman. He wants to be chief, so he wants the city council, and the police commissioner, and all these n****** in L.A. City government and all of 'em should be lined up against a wall and f******' shot.' UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Is this your verdict, so say you one, so say you all? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use the word nigger? Don't talk to her and they would back away. - On making decisions at crime scenes, 'I mean narcotics isn't full of n****** and Mexicans. BAYAN LEWIS, FORMER ASSISTANT CHIEF, LAPD: Because the command staff that was in charge of him did not do the job they should have done, which is to deal with the issue in a strong manner. Split, hide, yell, scream, and hide in the corner. On cross-examination the defense was allowed to question Fuhrman as to his biases against African Americans. Now a CNN exclusive, excerpts from the Mark Fuhrman tapes you've never heard and the woman who recorded him. MORRIS: Yes. So I just handcuffed him and went the scenic route to the station. PHILLIPS: A split-tail for a partner. PARKS: My view was you didn't want to take the chance. HART MCKINNY: It hasn't been good, I will say. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was a belly punch at the wrong time. PHILLIPS: So it started out as a romance before you started doing the tapes? PHILLIPS: But Laura Hart McKinny would get much more than chills and a dramatic screen play. Fuhrman later describes the aftermath of the brawl, saying; 'We broke 'em. I think he was being truthful. [23:00:25] KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN SPECIAL REPORT: The detective and the tapes. Simpson trial, Tia Morris testified before an administrative board about the behavior of Mark Fuhrman and other officers. It was revealed around this time that she had completed her screenplay based on her interviews with Fuhrman, for a film she had decided to call Men Against Women. I really need work hard with these women at the police academy shadowing them so I'm clear to represent their voices. PHILLIPS: What did you tell him? Use critters. I was a reason the jury latched on to so they could feel good about themselves. FUHRMAN: To peddle this which is absolutely psycho? HART MCKINNY: I was. PHILLIPS: Stories of alleged sexism, racism, and police brutality. [9], Although the LAPD Commission investigating the Fuhrman tapes "determined that in almost every instance, the now-retired detective was exaggerating or lying about episodes of police brutality," the report confirmed that Fuhrman was "telling the truth when he spoke of institutional harassment of women on the force. Then came the one phone call that changed everything. A key part of the defense case is the allegation that Fuhrman, motivated by hatred of blacks/African Americans and interracial couples, transported a bloody leather glove from the Bundy crime scene to the defendant's Rockingham residence for the purpose of placing the blame upon the defendant for the savage murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson. . And I think everybody's better for it. Fuhrman, a key witness in the O.J. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I'm saying, sir. [10] After paying a $200 fine, Fuhrman was released from his probation in April 1998[11] and the conviction was later expunged from his record. LAURA HART MCKINNY, JOURNALIST: I picked up the phone. Fuhrman transcripts reportedly reveal brutal beatings. We have no n****** where I grew up.' HART MCKINNY: I could tell there was a story - I didn't t know what the story was that I was - to deal with him. Fuhrman was briefly assigned to investigate the slayings of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald L. Goldman on June 12, 1994. . UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire and the blaze were held off by rioters. These excerpts from the hours of white supremacist and criminal statements made by Detective Fuhrman that were played in Court became known as \"The Fuhrman Tapes\". If they came up to me and spoke or anything like that, Mark Fuhrman would say what are you doing? And I will deny the subpoena. He told us what he observed and what he had been hearing about the men against women and the WAF, the White Angle Faction police. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're still trying to Market this? Well, I'm going to Fatburger. - Describing LA neighborhood, 'I mean, that's just the way you feel, you know. There is the Rolling 60's, n***** group they went into a sporting good store and stole 50 Uzis, 3,000 rounds.' When there was an officer-involved shooting, some officers of the MAW Group would celebrate it. In 1985, 10 years before the O.J. - On his fellow officer s on the force, 'It's pretty clear-cut who the assholes are. PHILLIPS: And her man on the inside, Officer Mark Fuhrman had plenty to say on the subject. Simpson's car door. HART MCKINNY: He just sort of stopped and -- a woman cop? Equally disturbing is that Mark Fuhrman stayed on the job despite allegations of his sexism, racism. Simpson -- that is until Simpson's defense team discovered recordings of Fuhrman speaking about his racist views, a career of police brutality, and routine evidence tampering to a writer. And that is the way it is in the car. You'll do what you're told, you understand n*****.' PHILLIPS: Fuhrman and others were not formally punished but Fuhrman's reputation took a hit. We searched him again and found the gun. So to this day you don't know who gave you up, basically to the defense. PHILLIPS: Why? To feed a bunch of dumb n****** that their own government won't even feed.' Obviously he is lying the first two times. HART MCKINNY: What, the 77th lie detector test? . HART MCKINNY: Approximately 42. Go "on guard?" - On questioning suspects, 'We basically get impatient with him being so f****** stupid. PHILLIPS: And then you thought? Take one in the basement and just beat the dog shit out of him." And when it came to his use of the n-word he told Sawyer; 'It shouldn't be used. Where were you going? Questions then arose how she could not remember Fuhrman given the fact that he spoke so angrily about her on the tapes. PHILLIPS: What was your reaction to the verdict when O.J. Aug. 25, 1995 . HART MCKINNY: No. BERNARD PARKS, DEPUTY CHIEF LAPD: I made a point to always take a moment to look at somebody's background and not give them an opportunity to put the department in a bad light. Fuhrman, who in addition to the glove also found the blood on and in Simpson's Ford Bronco, was listed as a police witness by the prosecution in a form submitted to Judge Ito before the start of the trial. We grabbed a girl that lived there, one of their girlfriends. : Fuhrman Tapes Revealed. Simpson Murder Trial winborneb 4.06K subscribers Subscribe 41 Share Save 7.3K views 5 years ago LAPD Detective Mark Fuhrman was the key police. And you go how could this have happened to us? When I left, Dana goes, "No blood Mark." To preserve these articles as they originally appeared, The Times does not alter, edit or update them. Chris Spargo For Dailymail.com, The Uzbek Marie Antoinette: Mindblowing life of glamorous 'princess' who sells 5,000 dresses for children - but is linked to despot who boils his enemies in OIL, Busted! PHILLIPS: And it was sure happening in L.A. in the 1980s with resentment and retaliation against the campaign to recruit more women and minorities to the LAPD. Judge Ito's first ruling on the Fuhrman tapes . He didn't have to give up the tapes. "[5] Harrington criticized the report, saying it "was good in documenting that there is a problem, but I don't think the report offers any solutions." [23:25:04] PHILLIPS: Tia Morris says she had to work with the men of MAW. In one tape, Fuhrman complains about a partner who followed department rules and was unwilling to lie for another officer. When they start moving into Redondo and Torrance. Portions of the tapes were admitted into evidence during the 1995 O. J. Simpson murder trial. They didn't understand why these tapes had to come about. So who told Pat McKenna you had these tapes? It was Fuhrman who reported finding the bloody glove behind Simpson's house the morning after the June 12, 1994, murders of Nicole . After O.J. FUHRMAN: Five years ago I would have spun around and choked him out until he told me the truth. To drive this home, Bailey at one point asked Fuhrman if he had ever used a racial slur, specifically the n-word, at any point in the past 10 years. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Simpson you are charge with the crime of murder. I thought I really need to step up my game here. PHILLIPS: Why would he want to keep talking to you for so many years? UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I was scared. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Flames are jumping about 25 feet in the air -- PHILLIPS: A city torture by a history of racial rage. PHILLIPS: In the end the task force confirmed 12 of 29 events describe by Fuhrman. That fact almost derailed the entire Simpson case for both sides and came dangerously close to causing a mistrial. In one instance, Fuhrman reported that a suspect was beaten to death and three others were hospitalized with broken bones. PHILLIPS: Voices like Tia Morris. ANNOUNCER: The following is a CNN special report. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It doesn't happen under my watch, period. After learning that Fuhrman was a Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) officer and had strong views about the employment of women as LAPD officers, McKinny engaged Fuhrman as a consultant to provide background information about the reality of the experiences of LAPD officers and to serve as a technical advisor in the development of a screenplay. HART MCKINNY: Missouri scum who should not be allowed in our venerable policeman against policewoman -- PHILLIPS: It became a book. 'Two guys, well, there was four guys. That request was later withdrawn by the prosecution, and Judge Ito decided to stay on the case after he asked another judge to make a ruling on whether or not he believed his wife was now a relevant witness given statements made by Fuhrman in the tapes. Stop them. No, I didn't. The transcript and audio of that portion of the tapes was never released. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED. But just about everything he told McKinny was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the actual events, with one exception, MAW, Men against women. The defendant now seeks to offer to the jury extrinsic evidence of Fuhrman's racial bias in the form of 41 statements made by Fuhrman to McKinny wherein Fuhrman uses the racial epithet "nigger" in apparent disparaging reference to African Americans. HART MCKINNY: He threatens me and he said I'll take you and any females you bring and I'll choke you all out in a minute. Best of the Sidebars in the OJ Simpson Trial, bar disclosure of Simpson's financial status, bar Nicole's "he's going to kill me" statement to the police, bar testimony about Simpson's "stalking" or "battering", bar testimony about Simpson's drug use & adultery, bar reference to the Brown family selling items/stories to the media, bar reference to Simpson's financial support of the Browns, bar "Rockingham blood was planted" theory, bar reference to Fuhrman's invocation of the 5th. If it's not believed, I can't make somebody believe me. MARK FUHRMAN, DETECTIVE: That is what I am saying. In that book he apologized for using racial slurs, said that he believed Simpson should have been arrested earlier by LAPD and accuses the prosecution of having abandoned him at trial after the release of the tapes. (COMMERCIAL BREAK) [23:23:005] PHILLIPS: By day a ball field, by night an imaginary courtroom. Fuhrman's actions and behavior were a key part of Johnnie Cochran's closing argument, where the lawyer suggested that the detective planted the glove at Simpson's home and described him as a 'lying, perjuring, genocidal racist.'. But I don't think he got carried away. You can't handle a man. 'We basically get impatient with him being so f****** stupid. - On stopping black people with no probable cause, 'That's where n****** live.' . PHILLIPS: Publishing the book was therapeutic, but disclosing the tapes, still painful. I really believe that if I could tell the story in a way that was honest and fair with a strong narrative that I could help inform people. Simpson, including a bloody glove. They go, hey Bubba, what's happening, like that.' A sign to find anything that would support the defense's strategy that Mark Fuhrman was a racist who planted evidence. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely. PHILLIPS: This time the investigation resulted in officers being reassigned, including Mark Fuhrman, a fateful move with consequences that no one could have imagined. PHILLIPS: Are you glad that Laura recorded Mark Fuhrman? PHILLIPS: Exactly what McKinny needed to write her screen play about misogyny in the Los Angeles police department? Torrance is considered the last white middle class society.' . There has got to be a reason why he is going to tell you the truth.' PHILLIPS: Its fiction, and the title, the same as Fuhrman's real-life secret society, Men against women. O.J. People there don't want Mexicans in their town. See the article in its original context from. I would never have sold the tapes. Coming so quickly on the heels of the 1992 LA riots, the Fuhrman tapes forced the public to reckon with the specter of racism and police brutality all over again. PHILLIPS: And pled no contest to perjury. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a horrendous crime. See who they are.' PHILLIPS: Two people brutally murdered, Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman and the main suspect, Nicole's ex-husband, football legend, O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You say on your oath that you have not address any black person as a nigger, was spoken about black people as niggers in the past ten years, Detective Fuhrman? The defense proffers include 41 examples of Fuhrman using the particular racial epithet in question and 18 examples of misconduct argued to be relevant on the issue of Fuhrman's credibility and willingness to fabricate. PHILLIPS: And it made her a crucial player in the trial of the century. The judge barred the defense from submitting to jurors any statements Fuhrman made in nine years of taped interviews with a North Carolina screenwriter in which he boasted about planting. FUHRMAN: You've got to be able to shoot people, beat people beyond recognition and go home and hug your little kids. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To sell. She could have profited handsomely from those tapes but she didn't. Well, on 2/25 I observed the defendant not only kiss but touch on ass of the female officers. Walked up and told them: "I've got this girl, I'll blow her f****** brains out, if you come out with a gun.
Fuhrman and McKinny began meeting for taped interviews in February 1985 and continued meeting until July 1994. For more than 20 years, you were the woman with the tapes that changed the face of this trial. The thought of taking someone's life and being happy that it wasn't you and finding a way to go great job, that was a hell of an evening, it's just overwhelming, the really is, the idea of a kill party. But what did the Mark Fuhrman tapes say? The defense proffer essentially argues that because Fuhrman allegedly suppressed information given to him by Rosa Lopez that was arguably favorable to the defendant, it can be assumed that he would plant the glove. And I'm sorry to be the one to bring it to the forefront in such a grossly insensitive way. - On racial makeup of LA, 'N***** drivin' a Porsche that doesn't look like he's got a $300 suit on, you always stop him.' UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you use in the word -- describing people? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: McKinny what was your occupation? That person has never been revealed to me. Meeting here at the park in the dead of night, what was your reaction? McKinny also testified in the Simpson case without the jury present to determine if the tapes she recorded would be used at trial. Female Officers on Tapes, O.J. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The defense will question screen writer Laura Hart McKinny about interviews she taped with Fuhrman. Kill parties. This court's focus, however, is legally restricted to just two issues: 1) Is Orenthal James Simpson guilty of the murders of Ronald L. Goldman and Nicole Brown Simpson, and 2) How should these tapes impact upon the testimony by and about now retired Los Angeles Police Department Detective Mark Fuhrman. Judge Ito's final decision on the Fuhrman tapes . 'That we've got females and dumb n******, and all your Mexicans that can't even write the name of the car they drive.' Did you feel safe during all of that? PHILLIPS: By the late '80s allegations of excessive use of force had escalated racial tensions. More from the infamous tapes you've never heard. N******. [9] Regarding police brutality towards suspects, "just about everything Fuhrman told McKinny, which could be connected to an actual event, was bigger, bloodier and more violent than the facts", the report concluded. Fuhrman was being interviewed by a woman named Laura. PHILLIPS: And even one tape made just months before he would testify in the O.J. At one point he also makes disparaging comments about the looks and work ethic of a female superior, Captain Margaret York, implying she advanced in the ranks through sexual favors. So your goal was to write a screen play about sexism within the LAPD. PHILLIPS: Coming up O.J. ", "Fuhrman Grants Interview, Apologizes for Slurs", "LAPD's Fuhrman Inquiry Calls for Sweeping Changes", Site at MIT with information on Fuhrman tapes, The People v. O. J. Simpson: American Crime Story, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Fuhrman_tapes&oldid=1142694116, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0, This page was last edited on 3 March 2023, at 21:52. I feel that often when I'm working. PHILLIPS: Bernard Parks was an LAPD deputy chief when Fuhrman came up to promotion. Just body shots. There must be some evidence in the record from which counsel might argue, however reasonably or unreasonably, that Fuhrman moved a glove from the Bundy crime scene to the defendant's Rockingham residence for the purpose of placing blame for two brutal and savage murders upon the defendant. HART MCKINNY: Good afternoon Mr. Cochran. Excerpts not played in court and never made public until now. [4][5] In a taped interview to McKinney in 1985, Fuhrman bragged about his leadership in MAW, a secret organization within the LAPD that reportedly had 145 members in five of the city's 18 police divisions during its heyday in the mid-1980s. On September 5, 1995, jurors in the case heard a recording of Fuhrman briefly saying the n-word twice, including when he spoke about his hometown by saying; 'We have no n****** where I grew up.'. FUHRMAN: Guys get a lot of time on the street, but now they are studying. So what else was on those tapes? Trial Cop Tells of 'Tribunals', "Feminist Majority Foundation and National Center For Women & Policing Call for Citizens' Commission to Oversee Independent Investigation of Gender Bias In LAPD:Department Plagued by Reports of Sexual Harassment and Threats Against Women Officers and Wifebeating Cover-up", My World and Welcome Info Pages: Excerpts from the Fuhrman Tapes, "Fuhrman Invokes 5th Amendment, Refuses to Testify: Simpson case: Ex-detective is asked three questions, including whether he planted evidence. The LAPD detective answered Bailey, under oath, saying he had not used the word in the past 10 years as of that date, March 15, 1995. PHILLIPS: So he made you get out at the scene. And, if I go down, they lose the case. Two of my. HART MCKINNY: That is what he said. So a month and a half after the murders, Fuhrman tells you this. SIMPSON, FOOTBALL LEGEND: Absolutely 100 percent not guilty. Wilshire division is all n******. The jury ultimately found Simpson not guilty, and on July 5, 1996 Fuhrman was charged with perjury for lying about his use of racial slurs on the stand. It is a theory without factual support. - On his hometown, 'When I came on the job all my training officers were big guys and knowledgeable, some n*****'d get in their face, they just spin 'em around, choke 'em out until they dropped.' Witnesses who were members of the police force were listed on a spousal conflict form and Captain York was required to review the list and sign off on the fact that she did not have a relationship with any members of the LAPD who would appear at trial. The defense seeks to offer 18 incidents of alleged misconduct. Superior Court Judge John Reid said York was not relevant to the case after listening to the tapes, and the trial resumed soon after. 'Four suspects ran into a 2nd story in a apartment projects - apartment. It was a bombshell! Following are excerpts from the ruling yesterday by Judge Lance A. Ito of Superior Court allowing the jury in the O. J. Simpson murder trial to hear two examples of racial epithets by Detective Mark Fuhrman in conversations with Laura Hart McKinny but barring examples of Mr. Fuhrman's boasting of misconduct: The Fuhrman tapes and transcripts raise a number of complex and compelling issues. They can arm wrestle 6'7" n******.' Ito steps aside on Fuhrman tapes issue -Full Story-Goldman family blasts Simpson defense -Full Story- PHILLIPS: Nobody stood up and said hey, don't back down. The defense contends the tapes portray Fuhrman as a liar - he testified earlier in the trial that he hadn't used the racial slur in the last decade - and show he is capable of planting evidence against Simpson. Then in 1991 there was this, a grainy video of four white cops beating Rodney King. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman also went on an apology tour, visiting Diane Sawyer, Oprah, and Larry King. Captain York was the highest ranking woman in the history of the force at that time and in 1985 had been in charge of Fuhrman. I'm sorry for that. PHILLIPS: Fuhrman even described disciplining one of their own. We kicked the door done. Denying having ever planted evidence, Fuhrman stated, "there was never a shred, never a hint, never a possibility--not a remote, not a million--, not a billion-to-one possibility--I could have planted anything. And that screenplay she developed with Mark Fuhrman's help? And he said I work with them and they're incompetent. 'Did you ever try to find a bruise on a n*****. PHILLIPS: Stunning to hear now, but not really surprising when looking back on a man known to be cocky. PHILLIPS: What do you mean brief encounters? - On police methods, 'N*****. They knew how he was and nobody did anything. As of mid-April 1995, all transcripts were converted to proper case thanks to - On why he takes martial arts classes, 'Don't they think they are physically capable? Both alive and I was first unit on the scene. . He didn't know where Fatburger was? Two of my buddies were shot and ambushed, policemen. FUHRMAN: Yes, the 77th leave that old station man, it's got the smell of niggers that have been beaten and killed in there for years.
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