Pregnancies are also risky for 13 and 14 year old girls. Long, 22 pages. 43 sec is probably the time they have of the man on the girls phone recording. So Mr. X was more traumatized by this crime than anyone else, including the victims grandmother who was hurt more than anyone. Im not sure if its better that way or not. The problem here is that before 5:30 PM, no one knew the girls were missing other than the families and a few friends. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. A pair of binoculars. But not far. Too fucking bad. Drunkard perhaps. Your email address will not be published. Keep sleuthing, youre on point to what I see. Unlike any other sleuthers, we have determined the main suspects in the case, have a good idea of what happened during the crime and what the crime scene looked like, and have recently figured out the motive. Neither he nor his father have been arrested over the Delphi Bridge killings. Its more secure. I also have to disagree with you about your criticism of the police for calling off the search at 3 AM. He died in 2020 and the case remains unsolved to this day. Now, I have denied knowing something that I actually knew, but that was to protect the integrity of an investigation. But they used experts to clean it up with fancy software and groups of experts got together to try to figure out what was being said. Ron Logan, who died in 2020, had long been put forward as a prime suspect. Thats a GoPro on BGs waist and he filmed his crime. In an interview with DailyMail.com in 2021, Chadwell's brother characterized him as being 'pure evil,' and more than capable of the Delphi murders. Busy location with a diner nearby. He ran off for s copy for us and sent it to us in the mail. German was your usual extrovert, with a dream of one day becoming a science teacher. No, I Dont Lack Credibility or Legitimacy, Alt Left: Hate the Collective But Love the Individual. Im sure the guy does look at posts and stuff which is creepy as all hell. Furthermore, we have two different LE sources, both detectives in Indiana, tell us that this is exactly what happened. Keep in mind that we are not claiming that anything listed below as Unverified is true, although some it has a good chance of being true. BG was very well disguised that day with a white scarf covering the lower half of his face. You want me to put it up? He could have worn those boots over his jeans, and he wouldnt have gotten wet. R/LibbyandAbby does allow rumors and speculations, so at least they get some good posts and posters, while the overall mood is still a downer. There is a press conference on Monday at 10 a.m. We will say more. I am friends with one of the parents and to my knowledge, no one has been told if this was sexual or not, only people have speculated. Apparently. Underwear, possible two pairs, was found in the river. The search warrant list a number of items that LE is looking for. FSG along with others present at the bridge have been investigated as possible lookouts for BG. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Were you a member of the private group? At this point, they dont even have enough for an arrest. Delphi murders: Killer staged bodies and may have taken souvenir, new documents reveal Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby. Well, the police have told us that they have a main suspect in this case, so at least I am just going to go with the cops on this one. Libbys phone did not record him for 43 seconds. Want to bookmark your favourite articles and stories to read or reference later? I read most of those posts over there and of course I read any post about me. to find the killer or team of killers. Just thought I would draw your attention to it. Privacy Policy. Allen told investigators on Oct. 13, 2022, that he wore jeans and a blue or black Carhartt jacket that day, according to the probable cause affidavit. Highly functioning drunk; its the only way he can appear normal. I am friends with one of the parents and to my knowledge, no one has been told if this was sexual or not, only people have speculated. The crime occurred on February 13, or 2/13.
Over the summer, the details of a search warrant revealed that Libby and Abigail were found covered in blood, and that their killer appeared to have taken a souvenir of some sort from the murder site. The February 2017 killings . In the years since Libby German and Abby Williams were murdered, there have been no arrests. There was a helicopter/drone photoset going around in a FB group in the last few days (dont remember which group). While it's unclear if police did go to gun stores, Garrett think it's unlikely because there was no mention of a gun in the case until the probable cause document was released Tuesday. And there are some good posters on r/LibbyandAbby; its just that they happen to be in the minority and all the best posters get downvoted to Hell and the people who are dead wrong get scores of upvotes! New Delphi suspect sketch released on 4/22/19. And if it was 43 seconds, it would be on Libbys phone! Thanks. Mr Logans home was just 1,400 feet from the location where Libby and Abbys bodies were discovered on Valentines Day 2017. Apparently there is a human need to wonder, guess, and posit. A brief clip of the man walking towards the girls on the Monon High Bridge Trail was released too. Crime scene photos leaked? A blogger/sleuthed named Robert Lindsay supposedly has one on his site, there's a camera flashing on it. Employed at two factories in nearby towns as a machine operator in recent years. Please help me out here. It said she was coming to deliver the keys. Classy. Guilty until proven innocent! Does he say where he thinks they were found, if not 50ft from the water? BG is a 50 year old man and the three other men are younger, age 17-26. LE blew off their concerns and called off the search, citing safety concerns for the searchers but seemingly had little of the same concerns for the missing teens who could have been severely hurt and unable to help themselves, just waiting for someone in LE to find them that night. The girls hand was wrapped around the knife to make it appear that she was stabbing herself. Stay tuned. Please refresh the page or navigate to another page on the site to be automatically logged inPlease refresh your browser to be logged in, Shocking new details have come to light about the murders of best friends Libby German, 14, and Abby Williams, 13, in a search warrant obtained by podcast The Murder Sheet and shared with The Independent, Find your bookmarks in your Independent Premium section, under my profile, This grainy image was taken on Libbys phone on the trail the day the girls went missing. He was arrested on charges of child sexual abuse images and child exploitation tied to the account and admitted to grooming underage girls online. Would be interesting to know if Garett Kirts was on Ron Logans property that day. Just another character who got caught with CP. Considering I often cannot view website news articles because of data protection laws? But after continuing to receive these pings and after it being 5 years, I went back and decided to post as these images have since plagued me. The case is still being actively investigated. Yes I thought the suspect had been recorded walking on the raailroad tracks on one of the girls phones. Im sure there are instances where its been used as an effective tactic in helping to solve crimes. Anyway, LE believes that Bridge Guy is Mr. X. Theyre not looking at anyone else. No, I wasnt aware that she existed. The friend texted a man named David, who claims to have found the bodies, because there were alleged crime scene photos leaked online. Kelsi German: Sister of Libby. Something to think about. Not sure of the significance here. Many people from the Delphi area have gone over to went over to Evansdale to work on plants over there. Only thing I can come up with if we go with the rumors is that he draped them with the sheet that had the smiley face on it perhaps? He's charged with two counts of murder and has entered a not guilty plea. You claim he works at Indiana Packers then say his profession is woodworking. Hes innocent. I think perhaps I saw the same things this guy did. A sheet with a smiley face on it at the crime scene, possibly hung from a tree. A .40-caliber unspent round was found less than 2 feet away from one of the girls' bodies, and that unspent round went through a gun that Allen owns, according to the probable cause affidavit. Williams was a little quieter but open with her friends and hoping to go into . Too many opinions and he cannot control them. I do not know why RRB is? He was very fearful and it really hit him hard how he got treated on that Reddit sub. If so, wouldnt the coroner be able to obtain DNA from the fetus? The victims, according to the warrant, didnt have any defense wounds, but some articles of clothing were taken from them and removed from the scene, while the killer placed the victims bodies in what investigators called a staged manner. However, shouldnt that same exact principle/logic apply to Mr. X? Video from one of the victim's phones shows a man on the trail wearing dark jacket and jeans. He even brought his phone in and took it apart to reveal the GPS device in it so they could look at it. I have one more message for you. There are unconfirmed rumors Mr. Xs truck was towed after his wife never came to bring the car keys and that Mr. Xs truck was never searched by police. Because of the number of people saying this rumor is true, it goes into the likely category. We can look into any case we want! But that too could have been either misleading or true. That is the statement from the woman on the search team. River searched near home of man police say posed . Also, the props were put at the scene later too, perhaps after the girls were killed. I will kill again,' one note found in 1990 read. A number of strange objects were found around the Evansdale girls similar to the bizarre images decorating the Delphi crime scene. The only way they could know this is if the rumors about BG sending photos or video of the crime to Abbys phone after the crime occurred are true. We also do not know why out of all of the places to search, he happened to pick the exact location where the girls were killed. A subpoena for an IP address led to another address in Peru, Indiana, and a second search warrant found Kline and his father there. I dont care what anybodys age is. Now, that does NOT necessarily indicate staging. In the documents we have, it is openly stated that BG abducted the girls at precisely 2:13 PM. The girls bodies were discovered on his property - just1,400 from his house - and it was revealed over the summer that his alibi for the day of the murder did not line up. Lists a factory as place of residence. Sometimes victims are posed as a signature as if to say when I do this again you will recognize my handy work and give me the credit although we have no evidence to suggest there was any posing at all. I guess this need continues into adulthood, but I like a little meat on my bone. We are no longer accepting comments on this article. But know, this is deliberate. Everyone was crowding around to look at the crime he had committed. Both girls were posed with their legs spread wide in a sexual posing. We know he had binoculars with him and he told the girls that he was a railroad policeman who had spotted them with binoculars. 43 seconds of audio. He has a prosthetic foot due to diabetes, and no way could he high-tail it across that bridge. "I didn't waaaaaant to, but I didn't want to be called a liiiiiiiiar". Possible Harley buddies (friends who ride Harley-Davidson motorcycles), as Mike is an avid Harley rider. Let me jump in here. I find it very hard to believe either of the girls were targeted by anyone-everything about this case screams random attack by a killer who knew the most likely location to find female victims he could easily overpower. They dont risk their careers to talk to bloggers. Pretty soon these fucking machines that are dumber than rocks are going to be making all sorts of unappealable decisions about our lives because the capitalists are too greedy to hire a real human to do the job, so they buy a machine instead. Investigators have long suspected that this man is the girls killer and have praised the girls for documenting the video as evidence. He also allegedly asked his cousin to back up his story before the girls bodies had been found. We wish people would stop talking about fingerprints. I could be completely off base and change my mind tomorrow. We openly admit that much of what we are saying about this crime are unverified rumors. The rumor that there was a spent cartridge at the scene is therefore confirmed. If I happened to be out that day lets say partying or doing some stuff that maybe I shouldnt have been doing, and I witnessed something and had information Im telling you right now, I would think twice, then I would think two more times before I would even consider coming forward because I would be scared shitless that LE would throw my ass in jail for something completely unrelated just like they did to RL. The motive is apparently lust murder motivated by sexual sadism combined with psychopathy, the classic formulation almost all serial killers have. Offers may be subject to change without notice. There are 244 comments there. Tell her I said HAVE A NICE DAY! John Kelly has some good information. In September of 2020, messages started flowing on the web that were purportedly between the one who discovered the young ladies' bodies and his companion. There is a small fee of $20 to join, which includes lifetime membership. Heavily redacted court documents say that state police and the FBI encountered Kline in 2017 while conducting a search warrant in Peru, Indiana. I don't see much in these, but there is another one that def looks like a body is posed, but the jury's out. If I were on the jury, the only thing I would care about was whether the state had proved that Mr. X committed this crime. Conceivably, perhaps ~10% of men might have those nine markers. Remember that they came out with a pair of boots? Dad is BG and KAK is waiting under the bridge. No Im just a mechanic in Boston Mass. They have most recently stated that they want to avoid double jeopardy. And he never meets anyone for any reason. No ones been hurt by this case more than Becky Patty. Most of Leigh Kerrs and the search party members testimony has gone into this bracket because unfortunately, while we think they are right, we cannot regard their testimony as probative. Shameful. The truth is that some of the things LE said in that conference are true. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. Cause of death of one girl was a deep cut to the throat. They hiked on to the the abandoned and somewhat dangerous Monon High rail Bridge, over Deer Creek. Abby Williams and Libby German were found dead on Feb. 14, 2017. Professor at a local university, known for the Geocaching Theory. The man who owns the document is not happy with us going public with these docs. The boots appear to be Indiana Packers boots. There are neighbors separated by acreage. Indiana State Police and the. Some new info here. Pay at least $20 for lifetime membership to my PayPal. He was 18 in 1984, so we figured he graduated that year, but maybe he graduated in 1986 when he was 20. And Mr. X or BG is the one who used that catfish to bring Libby in. Stop. I estimate that 85% of what we said here in past years has been shown to be false over time. As you can see, the numbers are the same. Best of all, much of our information is via solid sources such as search party members, official case documents, and LE sources close to the investigation. How often to killers, of children or otherwise, take fucking photos and videos of their goddamned crimes? By the way, whats a legitimate journalist? Whats a illegitimate journalist? Theres no such thing as either. I like some of these guys. FSG has been someone that I cannot let go of either. Im fooling the cops, ha ha! is the thinking. I have the images but Im not sure they are accurate. If it is not a serial killer, it can be too confrontational.Still, you never know and for sure a creepy idea. Investigators have never revealed how the girls died or disclosed details about the crime scene. In the first four years, two LE officers only affirmed one rumor each. Employment history: Unknown prior to 2011. I wonder how they made sure everyone on that team stayed tight lipped, especially after all of this time. Oh theyre not made by him. I cant demand that my friends give me money! They have enough suggestive evidence to make them think he did it, but if you look a the nature of their actual evidence, its awfully thin. I am running into one issue with Mr. X. I was wondering if there might be a different thought on this. San Francisco's ultra-luxurious Four Seasons Residences sells just 13 of its 146 apartments, as street crime and drug abuse are blamed for deterring prospective buyers including Steph and Ayesha Curry, Top female cop is SUSPENDED without pay for 120 days by New Orleans' Police Department after she was 'caught filing timesheets while doing private security work'. BG made a deep cut to the throat of one victim, probably with a hatchet, that resembles the deep cuts made to the throats of pigs at some slaughterhouses. The girl could well have been his high school freshman girlfriend. The manner of death has never been revealed. Multiple, multiple deep stab wounds.. It doesnt seem reasonable to stay out there all that time for no good reason. I also believe 1) that all of the dolls found there were not put there after the crime but that this was an area that the perpetrator visited often to perform some kind of sadistic acts using the dolls, 2) that he was at that site when he perhaps saw and/or used binoculars to spot the girls on the bridge, 3)went to the bridge and then took the girls to his sadistic-acts place to perform those acts on live persons. The point is that that Mr. Holder had nothing to do with this crime. Allen, a 50-year-old Delphi man, was arrested last month. Back to the POI, in February 2017, he lived next door to the cemetery which makes his actions and ruse around his truck & keys even more suspicious, if that is possible. Hasnt he suffered enough? I dont see a motive for Mr. X either, and he did live right there. We have your fingerprints on the counter.. Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. Also, you develop better sources. Thats actually how I was pointed to you because apparently, I copied from you (YouTube actually deleted these comments too ). Klines voice, however, has not been ruled out. Wait so the part about him recording the crime is some search warrant given to someone where the cops wanted to check media files. LE doesnt like being lied to, especially when they are investigating a double homicide. You mentioned that the police are allowed to lie to the public. We believe him. So the rumor that he filmed the crime and sent the film to a victims phone is proven. Another reason he stayed is we believe that he enjoyed the drama. And at the end, Carter says, He may even be in this room right now, (he was in fact) and then looks in the complete opposite direction of Mr. X. Photo by LIBBY GERMAN / FACEBOOK I think he may have had over 1,000 photos/videos on his drives or possibly more. A mystery man was captured in a grainy video taken on Libby's phone the day of her. Allen was arrested on Friday in connection to the murders - the first big break in the case. This is at a time when he and his alibi place him out of town in a nearby city. The only places he differs is where he thinks that the police are wrong! We dont know about you all, but when we go visit our friends, we generally dont park a quarter mile away and hike in. And those are just a few of the suspected serials running around free. She recorded them for a good six minutes and definitely longer. It is an open case so anything else you want to know look and maybe you will find. Number 5 was told to JM, an excellent local sleuth, and then to us by an Indiana detective who works in Narcotics based on crime scene photos he had seen. "He put himself at the scene, on the bridge.". Only a few seconds of the 43-seconds long recording have not been made public. Thanks, Mike! In the search warrant application parts of which are redacted the agent reveals that the murderer would have been covered in the victims blood due to the large amount of blood was lost by the victims at the crime scene. The family knew something was wrong. As CrimeOnline previously reported, 13-year-old Abby and 14-year-old Libby were murdered in 2017, but the killer remains elusive. They just accept everyone as long as you say youre straight. He had those white see through covers that cover the bottom of the home to the ground, theyre placed to separate the spacing in between the home and the ground. After the girls body was found, at the time of her murder, the local police chased other suspects in connection with the case, but nothing stuck. Particularly this statement. Investigators think the bodies of slain Delphi girls, Abby Williams and Libby German, were staged and moved at the crime scene, court documents obtained by The Murder Sheet podcast revealed; the show's founders joined Nancy Grace and her expert guests on Wednesday's "Crime Stories" to discuss the case. We now have search party members who saw the crime scene; official case documents; the testimony of Leigh Kerr, a man who claims to have seen official case documents; accurate crime scene photos; and the best LE sources we have ever had. One seems to be PNB and the other is RRB. 2 people did the actual murders and a woman behind the initial plan. Wow, this is some incredible news. Killer? I read your recent blogs about the Delphi murders, and you have a ton of info. Hes been on my radar for a long time now. Abby was the one that had the boyfriend. Since Libby and Abby were young, and the perpetrator is between 18 and 40, according to the statistics would that indicate a possible attempt to thwart the investigation? Are we making up lies about getting information from police when we actually have no contacts with them? Hello, i live in cedar rapids , ia. Kirts knew those backwoods just as good & probably better than Logan didI dunno man, the motive is dead on too (his beast of a girlfriend Garth getting locked up & losing custody of her son because of Libertys dad snitching for jail time easingI first thought this was a serial crimeNow, after looking at a lot more of the detail (& coming in to this in December 21, with most of the pertinent activity already have taken place), Id say chances of it being serial are probably less than 1%. Holder has an alibi that he was working out at a gym at the time. No one knows if he did this crime or not. Theres no woman among them. We believe he staged the crime with these elaborate props either before or after the crime from this exact location. Ronald Logan was never named a suspect, despite the warrant. *The cops refer to cases of scumbag on scumbag shootings as No humans involved or public service killings. Not say that innocent people are killed and hurt in these cases and in some cases the target themselves is completely innocent. Thats very embarrassing. Yes, this man is the prime suspect at the moment, but that doesnt mean a whole lot. The guy that is making those videos about Mr X, and the guy by the name of Derek godsey. Cookie Notice There is a rumor of a falling out between the two men at some time before the crime. Why not join the 240+ members who have already signed up for the best Delphi sleuthing team of all? I love you and the information youre releasing! Sex workers talk, rumours saved a lot of workers in Vancouver during Picktons reign of terror. Aside from the sketches released, authorities have indicated that the killer left behind physical evidence. Could be to cover their own asses. This is what happened. Good ones and bad ones, perhaps, but theres no such thing as legitimate versus illegitimate. Furthermore, when people say that I, Robert Lindsay, have no sources, no documents, on and on, please keep something in mind. 8) He drives an older model Ford Ranger type of truck. The suspected pedophile - who is heavy-set and pasty-faced - used an image of a ripped and muscular young man to trick underage girls into speaking to him. It is interesting that Mr. X appears to have stayed with his truck from 6:30 PM to on Monday, February 13, to 12:30 PM Tuesday, February 14 when the girls were found. Didnt he at the time live down the street from Logan? That makes no sense anyways, kill 2 little girls because of a "grudge",theoretically speaking. Although the exact murder weapon is redacted in the warrant, Body Bags host and forensics expert Joseph Scott Morgan told Grace that the killer likely used an edged weapon, given the amount of blood found at the crime scene. Oh, one more thing. The girls' bloodied bodies were found about a half mile from the bridge. Affidavit gives new updates on Dephi murders The March 17, 2017, affidavit sheds lights on the crime scene. We have no idea why the order was issued. Rumor is that Abbys was pink. I think he already knew that they would be there. That would have been quite a problem. This claims are quite dubious and we dont suggest anyone put any weight into them. He currently resides in prison for videotaping himself having sex with a 15 year old. I tend to think that it goes deeper than only Mr. X being involved though. An asterisk means the information is proven via LE information leaked to us. He posted a photo on Facebook around three weeks to a month after the murders. But they didnt get to ask him about PB. This makes absolutely no sense at all. Why did Mr. X not drive his truck away when it was in the way of all of the police cars? Not everyone was tied lipped, there were some rumors and messages on sm. Expelled From Law School, Dad Convicted of Mom & Brothers Murder. He states when he got home that night (13th) one of his neighbors had came over to ask if he could search his property, looking for the girls. Knives were also found at Allen's home, according to the affidavit. But ive also read (this is a rumorif not OK i will delete) that they girls were found apart. Not important? Is he into numerology? Also how about this? 13) Search Shell station footage in between 25 miles from crime scene throughout. Im not sure if pregnancy can be confirmed via autopsy before 6 weeks. How do they know he sent audio/video to one of the girls phones? Lets call this the intuitive hunch of an MI veteran. How do you know he had a deer kit and how many knives he had? when you send someone a file, you retain a copy for yourself. I am thinking that maybe which ever one was pregnant may not have known. Libby and Abby went missing on 13 February 2017 after they set off on a hike along the Monon High Bridge Trail in Delphi, Indiana. They simply dont have enough on him to get a conviction is all. Hes laughing b/c theyve been focused upon a completely wrong direction. When interviewed by police in 2017, Allen said he was on the trail on the afternoon of the murders, according to the probable cause affidavit. We believe that his truck got towed later on when his wife never showed up with the keys, that Mr. X searched Ron Logans land that evening with two other men, and that he left his truck sitting in that same spot for 18 hours until the next day when the bodies were found. It finally started to sink in to these geniuses when the case was made look one of the eye witnesses who contributed to the 1st BG sketch is a lady who lives right behind Ron Logan, dont you think if the Killer was Ron that she would say, simply yeah the guy I saw that day lives right behind me? Not that anyone who has half a brain needs to be convinced Ron Logan is not the killer lol. However, I do not know how to contact you Sir. Maybe he sent it to Libbys phone. However, I do not believe it was sexually motivated, but believe theres potential for multiple motives.
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